So some of you want to see our United States government to take over healthcare in America. Now remember you are asking that bureaucrats run your healthcare. Bureaucrats who could not get your passport to you on time in 2007. Bureaucrats who make you wait in those long lines to get a drivers license or license plates for your vehicle. Bureaucrats who take two and a half years to reply to a freedom of information request.
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@daddyoca69 Never …
@daddyoca69 Never said that YOU said they couldn’t buy across State lines. That’s what I’ve read everywhere during your whole healthcare debate, that if people were allowed to buy across State lines, then premiums would go down.
And sorry, until I see proof, I’m not buying the number you are selling. From all accounts, Canadians use of American healthcare happens but its a trickle not a flood. Not to mention the fact the number of Americans coming are way for less expensive care also occurs.
@MadHabber93 They …
@MadHabber93 They can buy across State lines and I never said they couldn’t so where you go that from is your own BS. Depends on type of plan etc. mine is written in new york and I live in Cali.
No they live in Canada. We also insure a ton of what are called ex patriots too. These people can use the system there or fly back here and most will fly back here or walk across.
@daddyoca69 So …
@daddyoca69 So you’re telling me that AMericans can’t buy health insurance across state line, but a non-U.S. citizen living in Canada can?? Sorry, don’t buy it. At least not your 2-3 million claim. Are they living in the States??
And again, you can call our system a pinto, but we know otherwise.
@MadHabber93 hah …
@MadHabber93 hah yeah no its not temp insurance, Its yearly insurance so they have atleast a year at a time and most keep on for ever. I have had one client for the last 8 years alone.
There is even employees from American companies that have some Canada in employees who go out of their way to pay for coverage….
These are not short term by any mean or “travel” so keep fishing…
@daddyoca69 So you …
@daddyoca69 So you must have used our system to call it a pinto? Let me guess, you haven’t.Yet 85% of Canadians rate their healthcare as good to satisfactory. 44% rate it excellent and only 1 in 9 poor. Those 2 to 3 million, if they exist, is probably temp. insurance when travelling to the U.S. for vacation or a visit. I don’t believe Canadians living in Canada can even buy U.S. health insurance.And reports and studies show that Canadians use of American healthcare is the exception not the rule.
@trader1963 I know …
@trader1963 I know for a fact a lot of people from Canada pay for coverage here already. They buy private insurance just like you and me.
Also places like the UK are opening back up private insurance because they can’t do it anymore……
Canadas system is a pinto and unless you grease someone pockets you get to wait in a line. People think its BS but then why would 2 to 3 million of them buy coverage from my company and fly here to be treated? they don’t have too at all.
Not going to lie, …
Not going to lie, the worst defense of health care I have heard to date.
No, not at all, and …
No, not at all, and pretty much came to an accord with propagandabuster – important to see where each other is coming from, I have had the national health service here since I was born and whilst not entirely free now it was bought into being post WW2. How would I feel now? suspicious probably. BTW I also understand the reason for the freedom to bear arms, it makes sense. Funny how chatting to people can alter opinions.
Mounhas, are you …
Mounhas, are you suggesting life expectancy should trump freedom/liberty?
I’ll point out that the USA is founded on freedom, not life expectancy. If you want to maximize life expectancy, lock everyone up where they can’t hurt themselves, and force feed them the healthiest food. That would minimize healthcare costs.
The point is that government running healthcare is the most egregious violation of personal liberty. They can control every aspect of our lives if they control access to care.
Okay, thank you.
Okay, thank you.
My response was …
My response was directed at Obasiliasfilosofos who was happy to trash my comments of 2 weeks ago but appeared to have nothing positive to offer in return. All entitled to our opinions of course. Anyway – since Haiti is only about 90 miles from Cuba still seems good comparison to me.
Then tell me::
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Then tell me::
How come these people with the best healthcare, and high education, have one of the lowest living standards in the world?
How come these very people risk their lives to float to the USA on nothing more than old wooden doors?
Why is it when the leader (Castro) needed medical care, he sought a doctor from Spain and not his island with the highly educated and healthiest people?
Hmmmm?
I happened to grab …
I happened to grab Haiti out of the air, it might have been any other free market economy island whose govt had little regard for it’s inhabitants. My point is that Cuba is repeatedly being castigated for not being “free” meanwhile people there are the most highly educated and healthiest people REGARDLESS of income in that part of the world. If, in your opinion, that comparison is absurd, well I would like to see what point you are trying to make.
why middle class …
why middle class canadians use the system? Simple, Their suckers!!! If they had the money they’d use it!!
Both systems favor the rich, If your millionaire in Canada, You can afford to skip the public system all together, You have only a two hour drive at best across the border or a canadian private clinic .
The sole difference, I guess is the canadian has access to the service , Without having to be buried in dept, but the service being offered is of low quality.
Hmmmmm let me see, …
Hmmmmm let me see, A country with law and order and actually something being provided regardless of quality.
or Haiti, Were the country is a failed state and people are actually eating dirt . That’s a very absurd comparison pal!
Thats the difference between having poor health care versus no health care, Just like having some scraps to eat versus nothing to eat.
Well since you fail …
Well since you fail to answer my question I will answer it for you, and these are not my statistics either, just good old facts: there are 20 years difference between life expectancy in Cuba and Haiti, and yes – people live 20 years longer, and healthier, in Cuba. Depends which one you refer to as a failed economy.
It is ridiculous to …
It is ridiculous to compare a failed economy to a command economy.
Perhaps opponents …
Perhaps opponents to government healthcare services would like to make a comparison between life expectancy in Cuba and life expectancy in Haiti – the latter no doubt being a shining example of private enterprise.
the question should …
the question should not be why rich canadians come here for treatment. it should be why do the poor and middle class canadians stay in canada for healthcare. the problem with healthcare in america is not with the wealthy. if everyone in america was wealthy then healthcare wouldnt be a problem.
but to answer your question they come here because they can afford it. the same reason only the rich by big diomonds.
poor people dont want to buy diamonds
Which proves my …
Which proves my point. Thanks! This is due to government interference in our medical system.
By the way, it’s …
By the way, it’s not an unsubstantiated claim that medical expenses cause bankruptcies. A study actually came out yesterday that shows 62% of all bankruptcies in the US are attributed to medical bills.
PropagandaBuster, …
PropagandaBuster, first of all, I am in the US right now. You should forget what Democrats say and base yourself on official figures that can be easily obtained. And where you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG is to say that government interference is the cause of high costs; it’s just the opposite. Without sufficient government regulation big pharma and the health insurance industry have no restrictions that prevent them from raising prices as much as they want. Have you ever seen the movie “Sicko”?
If you were in the …
If you were in the USA, I would accuse you of being one of them dar Demarcates. Because Democrats claim half the bankruptcies are due to home foreclosures, while you claim the other half is due to medical expenses. The high cost of USA health care is due to government interference. Get the government out of healthcare, and it will become more affordable
Certainly some …
Certainly some wealthy Canadians will come to the USA for healthcare services just as some wealthy people will buy Porsches. I never said that the quality of US healthcare was bad but the point is that most people can’t afford it (half of all bankruptcies in the US are the result of medical bills). Comparatively the Canadian system is like a Honda Accord. It’s not a Porsche but still a very good and reliable car that everyone can afford.
How come wealthy …
How come wealthy Canadians come to the USA for healthcare?